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Lord Sojar · Jul 20, 2009, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Eventually, companies will be sued for information leaks regarding these invasive and "malicious" programs.

There is a reason I am not able to install games on my workstation...

Brett Kuntz · Jul 20, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Ryuujinx

Incorrect. It has 2 stages, when you first open up the launcher it scans every program once and does a hash check against known banned programs, if it's found a popup comes up and states what's wrong.

After you log in, it only monitors wow's memory space.

I have watched a video where one of the guys who maintains Rootkit.com demonstrates Warden watching what websites you visit and what you type on forums/chat. It's in the "Gold farming MMO's" 1 hour long video that was at that conference.

Lord Sojar · Jul 20, 2009, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Kuntz

I have watched a video where one of the guys who maintains Rootkit.com demonstrates Warden watching what websites you visit and what you type on forums/chat. It's in the "Gold farming MMO's" 1 hour long video that was at that conference.

Do you realize how illegal that would be? Oh yes, HORRIBLY ILLEGAL. People would sue Blizzard into the ground for that. Don't believe everything you see.

Brett Kuntz · Jul 20, 2009, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Do you realize how illegal that would be? Oh yes, HORRIBLY ILLEGAL. People would sue Blizzard into the ground for that. Don't believe everything you see.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12903881&hl=en

Lord Sojar · Jul 20, 2009, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Kuntz

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12903881&hl=en

Right, so Warden doesn't monitor anything external to WoW. As he clearly discussed, it involves hashing. That's it...

Tarun · Jul 20, 2009, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Do you realize how illegal that would be? Oh yes, HORRIBLY ILLEGAL. People would sue Blizzard into the ground for that. Don't believe everything you see.

It's pretty common knowledge and it's not illegal when you agree to their EULA that allows them to check into these things.

Lord Sojar · Jul 20, 2009, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Tarun

It's pretty common knowledge and it's not illegal when you agree to their EULA that allows them to check into these things.

The EULA does include information regarding Warden, but does not mention it monitoring through applications outside WoW. If it did, it would be highly illegal. Essentially, that would be monitoring all data entered on a PC, including banking information, passwords to secure sites, and sensitive business information in my case.

Warden isn't a welcomed addition by any means, but... it isn't as terrible as some people make it out to be. However... Gameguard is pretty awful...

Faer · Jul 20, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Gameguard is pretty retarded and useless, and NCSoft is retarded for using it for Aion.

AmbientMelody · Jul 20, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Lol, I was going to give this game a try but never knew it utilises GameGuard ...

From my experience GG is just a cheap excuse for no in-built security measures used in most of f2p mmo's ... and it's terrible. Hoggs up PC to state of malfunction after alt-tabbing from game, resides in memory injected in processes even when you quit game, disconnects you from the game when it 'thinks' you are cheating and causes tons of problems with updating/patching the game. Basically GameGuard is an invite for all kinds of amateur hackers ...

It doesn't make sense, NCSoft told they are going to release only AAA+ titles now, don't they take game security seriously? I'm not going to take them serious either ...

PS. Waiting for invasion of bots and speedhackers on Aion servers, going to have a good read soon enough

Abedeus · Jul 20, 2009, 09:31 PM // 21:31

I don't understand, why Aion is being blamed.

It's every game with Gameguard, from Aion, through Lineage 2 to Ragnarok Online.

And blocking GG is about 10 minutes of work.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6628/beztytuujgb.jpg

Ding ding ding no GameGuard.

AOD_EaSyKiLL · Jul 20, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

I don't understand, why Aion is being blamed.

It's every game with Gameguard, from Aion, through Lineage 2 to Ragnarok Online.

And blocking GG is about 10 minutes of work.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6628/beztytuujgb.jpg

Ding ding ding no GameGuard.

GG also hides it's own processes, so you don't truly know it isn't still running.

Killamus · Jul 20, 2009, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by AOD_EaSyKiLL

GG also hides it's own processes, so you don't truly know it isn't still running.

It's childsplay to write a program to detect all processes, hidden or not. Even if they're hidden from the user, it's impossible to hide them from the system unless you attach them to different processes, which is also very easy to detect. Although a bit more of a pain via programming.

There's also several programs out there that already do this.

On another note: I'd like to see how you did this Abeduis.

Ryuujinx · Jul 21, 2009, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Kuntz

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12903881&hl=en

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Sep 3, 2007

Old. Again. Been updated since then and only does an initial hash check and monitors wow's memory space after.

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Originally Posted by Killamus

It's childsplay to write a program to detect all processes, hidden or not. Even if they're hidden from the user, it's impossible to hide them from the system unless you attach them to different processes, which is also very easy to detect. Although a bit more of a pain via programming.

There's also several programs out there that already do this.

On another note: I'd like to see how you did this Abeduis.

http://fyyre.ivory-tower.de/